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prime mayweather is flawless not nutthugging just being honest he adapts to any style and has never been hit with more than 1 punch at a time.his defense is unbelievable and his reflexes are off the charts

calzaghe's workrate and stamina are to much for any fighter from 160-175..dawson is the only 1 id give a chance..not 50/50..maybe 70/30 and thats just cause joe's 36.but he like mayweather adapts to anystyle...i made this thread to stop all the mayweather/calzaghe bullshit both are/were the top fighters in their weight range..they dominate

This fight is probably going to happen, since both sides are saying they want it.

Who will win? Will it go the distance? Will it be a late TKO or end early?

Anyone have any predictions on how far Gamboa will take his career?

In what should have been Joshua Clottey's breakout performance against the future undisputed Welterweight Champion of the World and then WBC International Welterweight Champion, Carlos Baldomir, we saw instead another black eye, though largely unrecognised, for boxing in the form of a ridiculous, undeserved, disqualification loss, the first of Clottey's career (20-0 going into the fight) and one that put a tortuous halt on a stunning prospect that would see him have to wait seven long years before another title shot.

It was held in England, far from Clottey's hometown of Accra, Ghana and from the opening bell it was dominated by Clottey, who had pitched a shut out up to the time of the stoppage (the official scores all had Clottey up by four rounds or five discounting the point deduction). Two things were straight away noticeable. Clottey came to fight and take the title away from Baldomir and Baldomir came to hold and complain to the referee about infringements that were largely due to his constant holding throughout the fight.

What disgusted me was, while Clottey was trying to fight, Baldomir would straight away grab Clottey either around his arms or, which became the biggest cause of the headbutts, around the back of his neck with the left arm and this was only ever once brought up by the referee and that was at the very start of the fight sometime in round two. This would continue on undeterred throughout the entire fight without any more warnings and it would be Baldomir constantly complaining to a referee who, it seemed, either had absolutely no idea or was told to ignore any and all of Baldomir's tactics.

Something should be brought up here at the start, which is the way both guys fought, and was the primary reason, apart from the holding around the neck by Baldomir, that any head clashes became a problem. Clottey, like Hopkins and other defensive experts, throws his right and drops his head at the same time to avoid any counter shots whereas Baldomir fights with his head down and often straight out most of the time. This did cause head clashes, but what should be immediately obvious to any decent referee is that none of these are intentional and none were. What did cause the head clash and the cut over Baldomir eye was part of the same thing that had occurred throughout the night and was never brought up, which was whenever Clottey through a combination and tried to get in close for punching range, Baldomir would grab him which was, as aforementioned, either around each arm or around the back of his neck. This was the cause of the head clash, not an intentional head-butt by Clottey and certainly not something that warranted one point deduction and then immediate disqualification.

What was very apparent from the start was that Baldomir could not beat Clottey and I believe he knew this as quickly as Clottey did. Every time Clottey would try to engage he was pinned by his arms and as it became more apparent that the referee was not going to do anything about it, Clottey started to do the only thing he could, and that was try to push him off and throw punches with whichever hand could be freed.

What also happened at this time was that Baldomir started complaining about every little thing that happened. It was either a smart, calculated move designed to get the referee to ignore him and focus on Clottey's supposed infringements or simply the actions of someone who didn't have any other answers to what Clottey was giving him. Round after round Clottey was landing the cleaner, harder, more accurate punches and blocking the majority of shots by Baldomir. The one round that Baldomir did land anything significant, in the ninth he landed his only really solid shot which briefly stunned Clottey, it was still a round in which Clottey did the cleaner, better work overall.

In what should have actually been a very good fight, albeit dominated by Clottey, it instead turned into an affair that was marred by terrible refereeing and the complaining of the champion, even though it was himself instigating everything, who instead should have been trying to fight and win against an opponent who was simply much better.

What eventually stopped it in the eleventh round was a very minor head clash that was caused again by Baldomir pulling Clottey's head down and into himself as Clottey launched an attack and then as Clottey tried to pull his head up, which Baldomir had pulled into his own chest, he stood straight up into his chin. Baldomir pulled his head away as if to exaggerate something and the referee stepped in and stopped it.... ?

This had come after a round that had seen Baldomir's eye cut as he pulled Clottey's head into his own when Clottey had thrown a left, right combination and Baldomir had again tried to grab onto Clottey to stop him. The referee then deducted a point from Clottey and instead of warning Baldomir to stop holding and grabbing would go on to issue warnings to Clottey against something he really had no control over, unless he simply stopped fighting.

What should have stopped in round two with a few stern warnings to Baldomir for excessive holding and for clean fighting instead became a ridiculous and highly frustrating farce as Clottey would be issued with warning after warning for trying to fight against someone who desperately did not want him to fight and would grab, hold and complain to stop him. It also kept what should have been the new WBC titlist getting his rightful shot and a place among the best welterweights in the world for many, many more years as it would not be until 2006, nearly eight years later, when Clottey would become recognised after his dominant performance in a great fight over popular Diego Corrales in a brilliant exhibition of skill and hard fighting. He has since won his world title finally, but it has been long overdue and maybe too little, too late as the now 32 fighter is on the other side of prime.

Nonetheless, Clottey has now finally gained his reputation as one of the hardest, most skilled, and most avoided, welterweights of today and while he now holds an alphabet title for the first time in his career it should have come many years previous with a stunning performance over a fighter that would go on to get the biggest names in boxing after beating Zab Judah by unanimous decision, a fighter who was later broken down and stopped by Clottey, that celebrated his disqualification win as if he had truly triumphed as the better fighter when all he did was gain, undeservedly, the greatest lucky break in his life.

http://www.deporte1.com/?display=1&id=5094 After this article was made: Margarito koed11 Cotto Calderon TD7 Cazares Juanma koed1 Figueroa This article is missing DeLeon tko4 Yaqui Lopez, then again this was made by a mexican so Im not sure if hes counting all of the fights. Anyway this thread was made exclusively to Puas and anyone interested.

who would you ****? Jessica Ashlee maybe this floats your boat Lisa

Does anyone know when tickets will be available? i know its location currently TBA

Anyone remember this fight? I still got it saved on my DVR. What a war! Sosa had about the longest legs and arms I've ever seen on a super middle to light heavyweight.

My commanding officer (wife) just authorized my a kitchen pass to go to the fight, so I'm thinking about going now. Who's going to the fight (MBM)? Thinking about going to the weigh-in on Friday, what are the weigh ins like at the Staples Center though? Beer? Shit to do? Are the weigh-ins there anything like they are in Vegas (an event in itself)?

Hatton is out of the equation if he loses to Pacman.

4get Floyd, he's retired.

Oscar? Hope he stays retired for good.

Margarito? I doubt it

Cotto? hope he wins over Marg.

Tye Fields is the MAN!! hope he recovers!!

Would have been a great fight to launch Ortiz on the scene. Another reason why I think Ortiz should have stayed with Toprank. They know Hatton's weak, lol thats why they're puttin Paq in there with him without even thinkin twice about Paq's saftey.

But if Paq wins, lol what is he gonna hold down the 140 division? Or bait and fish for another flawed fighter? I mean Hatton is good, but not that good. He's like the David Diaz of 140, only Hatton's chin may be worse and his offense is probably slightly better.

I really would have loved to see Ortiz take whats rightfully his, and thats 140. Paq was annoying before with his cherry picking and exploitation of our old legends, lol but now he's denying our young guys. lol This is some f#$%ed up shit. lol Someone knock this over-rated guy out already :lol1:

Where does a win over Margarito do for Mosley ?

Therotically speaking!

GSP vs. Anderson Silva

Brock vs. The entire lightweight roster (All of them at once)..:boxing:

List who you would like to see in this "event"?

This ****ing sucks. Donaire vs Montiel is a much better fight then the others above minus Solis vs Viloria.

That being said, it's inevitable that Fernando Montiel moves up. Which actually makes me happy because Mijares vs Montiel could still happen then.

So is this fight off for real now? Initially, I wanted to see Haye go through Wladimir before even thinking about the elder Klitschko, as I didn't think he really had any business being in a ring with Vitali if he couldn't navigate the more knockoutable one first. But since Haye made that announcement of a verbal agreement to fight Vitali, I'd been getting more and more psyched about seeing it, to the point where I'm really disappointed if it isn't happening. I was imagining it as the centerpiece to a prospectively solid spring/summer boxing calendar for 2009. Also, it was my girl's big wish to see Haye get knocked silly by Vitali. She's been psyched about it for a month and I was planning to take us both to the fight so she could see him put some hurt on Haye live and in person. Wlad KO'ing Haye is just not going to be quite as special for her.

If Vitali vacating the WBC and making it a non-title affair was always going to be a barrier to this fight, why announce the shit like it was all but signed? Everyone involved must have known the WBC wouldn't bend. This kind of crap is par for the course, but in this instance it's doubly irritating.

Floyd Mayweather : The ‘Sweet Science’ Steve Coleman For me what makes boxing the ‘Sweet Science’ is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring. In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney. 1. Mayweather's defense Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective. All the while his opponent is punching. Floyd is

• rolling,
• slipping,
• pivoting at the waist,
• feinting,
• bobbing and weaving,
• constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries. When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects. On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by adjusting his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing. 2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

1. the rhythm of offensive motion
2. the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm (preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer) the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion. However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late. 3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'. Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process. It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss. What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now. 4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes: First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills. Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers. Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic. 5.Staying 'in the pocket', When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches. There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively. 6.The Science of Floyd's Offense Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening. With many other top fighters this is not the case. It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency. In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching. Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes. 7.The Science of Movement Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles––all are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques ‘modalities of rhythm’.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the ‘feel’ of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.

Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The ‘Sweet Science’

Fck, i laugh everytime i watch this fight, check 7:26, Vitali is a bit cocky, urging hide to get up. Did Hide annoy Vitali pre-fight?

I'll be watching Diaz-Marquez of course, but I'm looking forward to this and I'll download it. This was a great fight for the undercard of Cotto-Marg.

against who?

my choices are...

1.) Mosley...for the trilogy

2.) Trinidad..because he took Oscar's 0

3.) Chavez Jr...so Oscar can whoop little Jr's ass for all the years of disrespect the chavez's have given Oscar.

I know there in't a belt on the line and some of you think there is no point but I would like to see it.

i think we all agree, so less mulling over, and repetition of a fact, as seems to endless happen here on boxingscene.

i'd like to hear people agree on this; my word, in his day RJJ was ****ing AMAZING. Probably my favourite boxer, forget that his best days are past him, spend a little more time remembering just how good this man was.

pure. ****ing. class.

This is going to be a dope card.

January 9
At Primm, Nev. (ESPN2): "Friday Night Fights" season premier, Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Roger Gonzalez, 10 rounds, featherweights; Odlanier Solis vs. Kevin Burnett, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Erislandy Lara vs. Rodrigo Aguiar, 4 rounds, junior welterweights; Jonte Thomas Willis vs. Alvaro Morales, 4 rounds, heavyweights; Brandon Gonzalez vs. Andy Mavros, 6 rounds, super middleweights; Sharif Bogere vs. Manuel Cotrich, 4 rounds, lightweights; Gabe Del Real vs. Joel Gonzalez, 4 rounds, welterweights; Bernard Hopkins in studio

Before De la hoya-pacquiao everyone was against this fight and hated de la hoya.....they said he would be a laughing stock if he lost let alone get knocked out.....the chances of pacquiao knocking out de la hoya were slim........pacquiao knocking out de la hoya would put him in a "God like position" in one thread i read......after the fight there werent any hate threads only excuse threads......and no Pacquiao is God threads

I know most of the glory goes to Buffer since he works for HBO and HBO does all the big fights, Ive always felt a little bad for lennon because hes a great ring announcer but he never gets the mega gigs. If Showtime gets Ricky Hatton vs Manny Pacquiao then maybe well see Jimmy lennon Jr get his shine.

One way is much like the Cotto match where Mosley is boxing and moving around the perimeter. Well this is the way most people see it except me I don't see Mosley as much of a boxer style. i see Mosley trying to move but not fighting as much off the riopes like Cotto. Moving and circling to his left away from margarito's left hook. Margarito is slow much like Baldomir and throws wide looping punches from all different angles. Miosley has to fight much like he did against Cotto in the second half of their fight backing Margarito up. many don't belive that Margarito can be hurt or backed up. Mosley has fought at 154 and in his two fights against Vargas who fought at 160 he was able to impose his jab and back Vargas up.

So two ways I see this fight one is much the same way the fight with Cotto and Margarito went Mosley trying to box and backing up fighting off the ropes trying to avoid standing still and exchanging with margarito....Mosley would lose this fight much the same way Cotto did if not on point s he would be TKO;s the moving and use if his energy trying to avoid Margarito would combine with the punishment delt by margarito would be Mosley's demise

The other is Mosey using his jab circling Margarito staying in the center of the ring and trying to back up margarito. Mosley has been in there with bigger men then Cotto and beat opponents at 154. If he can circle and eventually back Margarito up with body punishment combined with some use of his jab early on like he did in the Vargas fight I think Mosley can win.....Lefty

forget the titles defences, Ive never put that much stock in title defences because they can be deceiving very often, especially nowadays. but look at this. he beat
-Jack Sharkey
-Primo Carnera
-Max Baer
-James Braddock
-Jersey Joe Walcott
-Billy Conn(lightheavyweight)

and these are only the lineal champs he beat. and thats a huge number, especially considering Louis himself was the lineal heavyweight champ for almost 13 years straight. I mean, lets put it into perspective. look at our two best today.

Vitali Klitschko-0 wins over lineal champs
Wladimir Klitschko-1 win over a lineal champ(Hasbeen Rocked'mon)

Louis is easily the number 2 or 1 heavyweight of all time, Jack Johnson doesnt come remotely close.

Both guys were mean; both had chins; both had power... Who wins?

Just found this vid, first time seeing it, what a tear up!!

I was looking up some stuff about guys winning titles after 18-20 fights and just realized Taylor fought and beat Hopkins in his 21st fight as a pro. That is ****ing insane. Hopkins had more title fights than Taylor had fights on that night. It can be argued that Taylor was still a green fighter in his 2 wins over Hopkins and draw with Wright, which is just mad. Is there any doubt he has the best resume in boxing other than Pacquiao? He hasn't even had 30 fights yet, and the only fight I thought he lost was the first to Pavlik. That 2nd fight was close and I thought Taylor won 7-8 rounds of it.

I think alot of the hardcore fans wanted to see Joan Guzman vs. Pacquiao. Remember how they were talking about this fight a few years back? But, Pacquiao has tasted the mega fight and this will never happen. It would've been a war for the ages. Too ****in bad.

I think most people agree that there are too many PPV's, especially ones with lame cards.

The reason they should make less are the following:

1) Every ppv event is 'just another ppv', ppv's should be hugely hyped and for special occations only, most people are more likely to buy it if they believe they are going to witness a great and rare event, not just your average lineal title fight.

2) People will watch less streams illegally, increases viewer ratings

3) Do i pay money to see a 2 good teams play eachother at football/backetball? You may argue the money needed to pay boxers is needed but dont forget that top soccer players can earn 6 figure salaries A WEEK! So why would boxing get a short straw on this?

4) The undercard fighters will become more well known than they are now, causing more hype for the future (and therefore perhaps more ppvs)


PPV's should be for either unification belts or for 'big clashes' (calzaghe hopkins, pacman hatton etc)

A 'big clash' does not include the likes of valuev vs holyfield.

Anyone agree?

Wladimir Klitschko will eventually get the respect he deserves if he keeps winning. It was the same way for Lennox Lewis, who had the big knockout loss to Oliver McCall, and was a European so North American media wanted to say this and that about his. Haha, I remember Ring Magazine's cover headline before his fight with Michael Grant "Lewis will quit or will get knocked out".

People will drone on and on about how bad the heavyweight division is for a long time, and then eventually realize that we have a pretty good heavyweight champion. There is a 6'5" European winning all his fights and holding some of the heavyweight belts. He is a former olympic gold medallist and is said to have a suspect chin, but a really big straight right hand. Trained by Emmanuel Steward. Does this sound familiar to anybody?

It just takes time to win people over. The problem is right now every Klitschko victory, the first thing that is going to come up is how bad his opponent was and how bad the heavyweight division is.