Since someone asked about it, here are the odds for the K-1 World MAX tournamen final.

For the winner of the tournament, it is a very close affair. The outsider is Artur Kyshenko. Nieky Holzken is the odds favorite against Virgil Kalakoda.

The odds are from http://bet-at-home.com/ and the lines are still open as I am writing this.

Winner of the tournament:
Masato 2.75
Yoshihiro Sato 2.80
Andy Souwer 2.85
Artur Kyshenko 4.25

For the other fights:
Nieky Holzken 1.45
Virgil Kalakoda 2.50

Taishin Kohiruimaki 1.95
Joeri Mes 1.70

Yasuhiro Kido 2.10
Albert Kraus 1.60

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Yes, as Corey says, he scored KOs in almost all of the fights he won (he won a decision over Timo Hoffman).

Yes, although he suffered two TKOs, he was never actually knocked unconscious.

That’s great, but who did he fight?

It is an undeniable fact that in his entire 37 fight career he fought only two men who were considered top heavyweights: Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd.

It is also an undeniable fact that both Lewis and Byrd beat Vitali by technical knockout.

Aside from those two, there was Kirk Johnson who, aside from showing up grossly overweight, is most famous for losing a TKO to California club fighter Javier Mora, a DQ to John Ruiz (Johnson was losing on all cards late in the fight and took the easy way out, getting himself DQ’d) and drawing with Al Cole. Vitali’s only other opponent of note was Corrie Sanders, who at almost 40 years of age was a semi-pro golfer who had only fought 3 times in the previous 4 years, since getting knocked the fuck out by Hasim Rahman. Sanders had previously been knocked out in 2 rounds by Nate Tubbs and has since been knocked out in one round by the mighty Osborne Machimana.

So, again, he fought two good fighters and was TKO’d by both of them. How in the world can anyone say with any certainty that Vitali is an all time great heavyweight in head-to-head matchups? It makes absolutely no sense.

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Who wins and how

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Why wasn’t Mosley send to the corner when Mayorga went down, he just stood there and the ref allowed it, and pounced on Mayorga for the KO as soon as the ref allowed him to continue. Sure Mosley would of still won but not by KO… Anyone else notice this? :-\

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Manny Pacquiao, a little big man who had to overcome a hard knocks “Filipino” upbringing on his road to becoming one of boxing’s greatest superstars . A man dubbed the “Mexican Assassin” for his ability to dispose of the great Mexican champions of the last decade. A man who is worth the equivalent of a winning lottery ticket to all the upstart boxers who are toiling away in hot gyms across the world. It is easy too see that a big black X now hangs on the back of Pacquiao and Hardcore Boxing will take a look at the rumblings and rumors of future potential match ups for the “Pac Man” Pacquiao. In part one we look at : Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao.

It would be the coveted #1 vs. #2 matches up. It would be the biggest non heavyweight fight since Felix Trinidad vs. Oscar De La Hoya. Mayweather and Pacquiao would make so much money that it would be the equivalent of a Golden Parachute for both. The question being, is it a logically possibility being that Mayweather is comfortably fighting at two weight divisions higher? The logical end falls squarely in the camp of Pacquiao. Yes, the fight can be made at a catch weight but the “catch weight” would have to be in Mayweather’s favor of no less then 137-139lbs. Knowing Mayweather it may even have to be at 140lbs. The weight difference puts Pacquiao at an obvious disadvantage. Let us look at match up in depth.

Chin:

Both fighters poses granite chins.

Mayweather has been in with hard hitters Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah , and Diego Corrales . Mayweather took the best punches they had to offer and prevailed.

Pacquiao has also been in with some great bombers in Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and Juan Manuel Marquez.

In the chin department it is a push. Advantage no one.

Power:

The great equalizer.

Lb4lb, Manny has more pop then Mayweather. Manny has one punch knock out power. Floyd has brittle hands that tend to break.

Advantage Pacquiao (Note: Pacquiao’s power is unproven at the weight they may fight at so in “real time” it may not be an advanatge at all)

Speed:

Both fighters are extremely… no…impossibly fast with their hands. I really cannot call winner in this category. A very slight edge may belong to Mayweather, but it is not enough to declare him faster.

Advantage No One

Defense:

Easy call here.

Pacquiao gets hit with everything and Mayweather rolls his shoulders, uses his feet, and makes you flat out miss.

Advantage Mayweather.

Experience:

As is in the case of the power category plays equally in this category. Both fighters have been in big fights.

Advantage No One

Heart:

Easy call here.

Mayweather is defense first. Pacquiao holds nothing back and is all go. Pacquiao will fight anyone anywhere. Mayweather has a reputation of not taking on the best available to him.

Advantage Pacquiao

Intangibles and Outcome:

The biggest intangibles are the level of boxing skill and the huge weight difference. It is a pair of differences that Pacquiao cannot over come. Mayweather would be the stronger of the two and would end up dominating Pacquiao by using his defense and angles. In order to beat Mayweather you need to bully and pressure him, Pacquiao does not have the strength to pressure Mayweather. Castillo has the build and fighting style of a bully and that is why many think he beat Mayweather. Pacquiao is fast and annoying but lacks the strength.

In the match up that everyone and their mother want to see I would take Mayweather by wide Unanimous Decision. Rarely does power trump skill.

In part II, Hardcore Boxing takes a look at Diego Corrales vs. Manny Pacquiao

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I made Joe millions and this is how he repaid me

When Joe Calzaghe said he would promote himself against Roy Jones Jnr, he said that he hoped our split would be amicable.

Well that obviously isn’t the case. Joe indicated I could promote his final fight but having considered him more a friend than a fighter I have kept my silence.

But Calzaghe’s recent attacks on me in the Press have left me no choice but to defend myself in print, although I find it deeply saddening that I have to do so.

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When Joe signed with me he couldn’t afford to pay his mortgage. But over 12 long , hard but successful years, I helped make him into a multi-millionaire and one of the best-known UK sports personalities who is now nailed-on for boxing’s Hall of Fame.

In his book, he says signing with me was the best decision he ever made. But he now claims he was held back, kept in “shackles” and could have had big fights sooner.

Yet until he beat Jeff Lacy and finally began to believe in himself, one person and one person alone afflicted his career: Joe Calzaghe.

He would regularly pull out of fights at short notice for reasons he felt were valid. But it left me to sort out the mess with opponents furious and TV execs pulling their hair out.

At one stage it got so farcical I had to pay opponents cash up front before they would sign a contract because they were afraid of going through weeks of training camps for nothing when he pulled out.

I lost $100,000 to Glen Johnson when Joe pulled out of a world title fight with him for a second time. This is the same Johnson who KO’d Jones four years ago.

I recall that when I vetoed a fight with Freeman Barr, dreadful mediocre No 1 mandatory challenger who meant nothing, Joe said that he wanted to face him.

Sky and I didn’t want the fight and fortunately the bout didn’t come off after Barr was beaten.

For much of Joe’s career, I worked with US TV network Showtime and they nicknamed him “No Show Joe” because of the pullouts and the fact he’d refuse to travel to the States to promote his fights.

Calzaghe blamed his reluctance to travel on his fear of flying. But it made trying to build a name for him in the US a nightmare.

For chunks of Calzaghe’s reign as a world champ, American TV lost all interest in the Welshman, but I continued to pay him the same money he was on when he was boxing on Showtime.

And it wasn’t just the Americans who were growing increasingly frustrated with Joe.

When the WBO ordered Calzaghe to face Mario Veit for a second time - having already knocked him out in the first round - I had a major problem because not one television station in the UK wanted the fight.

Fortunately I managed to kid Veit’s German promoters I was going to make a big bid, and it would take a massive sum to take the fight to the Continent.

They gambled on being able to recoup some of the money back from Sky or ITV.

They got a nasty surprise when they realised there would hardly be a penny our end - but Joe still grossed $1.7million when the fight could have gone for zilch.

After Veit II, Calzaghe went on to fight Lacy in what would go down as one of the best British performances of all time.

Yet that fight, like others, was nearly shelved.

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He insisted a couple of weeks beforehand he was injured and couldn’t fight. Both his dad Enzo and I had to persuade him to go step through the ropes, something I’ve never done with a boxer before or since. Had he been left to his own devices, it may never have happened.

For me, that was the making of Calzaghe.

From the way the fight went and he let his hands go, Joe didn’t look injured.

But my proudest moment in the sport came 18 months later when Joe beat Mikkel Kessler in Cardiff to prove what I’d said for years - that he was the world’s best super-middleweight.

I lost 500,000 on that show but money really didn’t matter on the night because it was such a wonderful feeling to see him finally unify the world titles.

Knowing that Joe had a good chance of winning the BBC Sports Personality of the Year - having been unbelievably overlooked in 2006 - and despite being offered money for the delay by ITV, the week before voting I gave the BBC a rerun for the fight free of charge, having been promised they would show it at a decent time. I believed it would help secure votes for him.

But then so much of my time with Joe was spent working behind the scenes to raise his profile.

When the opportunity came up to meet the Prince of Wales in Cardiff came up, Joe was reluctant to go along even though it was just a few miles down the road.

In the end I was able to make him see sense. Was it a coincidence that in the spring he was awarded the CBE?

Other times I wasn’t so successful. One Saturday morning he was due to appear on a children’s TV show which was based on boxing and centred on Joe.

Thirty minutes before the show was due to go on air in London, I got a call from Joe - who was still in South Wales - saying he wouldn’t be able to go after all, leaving me again to call the unfortunate producers.

I gave up trying to get him the kind of gigs Ricky Hatton would do at the drop of a hat.

Joe made his comments about the money and attention Hatton got but although Joe is the better boxer, Ricky was prepared to put in the hard yards to get publicity.

In April having decided he could travel to the States, Joe defeated Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas a night where I felt a great deal of personal vindication.

Months before the fight we met and agreed I’d promote Joe’s next bout - which he said would be his last - and I began negotiating with Bob Arum for Kelly Pavlik and Roy Jones.

I preferred the Pavlik fight as Jones although a former P4P number one, he is way past his best, a fact widely accepted in boxing. I also think he is tarnished after failing a drugs test earlier in his career.

In the 2008 latest edition of his autobiography, Joe states that Jones is “washed up” and in an interview in Boxing Monthly said he said he had “no interest” in fighting Jones, who he describes as “not a great fighter anymore” observing that “Roy’s resistance is gone”.

Jones has had three fights in four years beating on points Prince Badi Ajamu and Anthony Hanshaw - hardly household names - and in January former light middleweight Champion Felix Trinidad who had been out of the ring for three years.

Jones’ friend and fight lawyer, John Hornewer said of him after the Trinidad fight “He’s so safety conscious since he’s stopped that he just doesn’t let go. He’s overly cautious and lets the other guy hand in there.

“I think he’s still shell shocked. He’s overly concerned about what might come back at him. He’s happy to win be a decision.”

Jones will probably get on his bike against Calzaghe - and Joe struggles against runners.

Now Calzaghe is trying to make out the Jones fight will provide some kind of legitimate challenge.

I could have got Calzaghe far more money than he managed to secure himself.

He agreed a 50-50 purse split with Jones. Roy must have thought he had won the lottery.

After Joe beat Hopkins HBO pay-per-view exec Mark Taffeit told me they didn’t care who he fought next Calzaghe was the No 1, not Jones or Pavlik.

Over-the-hill Jones brought hardly a thing to the table - and certainly not 50 per cent. A fight against Pavlik, which Arum had agreed would have done far more for Calzaghe’s legacy.

And Arum would have accepted 40 per cent of the pay-per-view figures and given up the UK revenue.

As Joe’s manager I was entitled to take a percentage of his purses but never had sixpence from him barring the second Veit fight which was on another promoter’s show.

At 36 he is hardly a kid who has been exploited. And it’s ironic he has attacked me this week over the choice of Amir Khan’s opponent.

I’ve said all along the buck stops with me - the same matchmaker who picked Calzaghe’s opponents during his unbeaten reign.

Over the years I helped Joe with personal problems, gave him gifts and genuinely believed we had become friends.

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Calzaghe claims that I have been keeping him in “shackles” for the last decade and says he is not a multi millionaire, but despite pulling out of numerous fights I don’t call grossing well over 10m, getting paid more than any other super-middleweight and going down in history as one of the greatest fighters to have come out of the UK “shackles”

Excluding mandatory defences, he has had the final say in everybody who he has fought.

I also became close to his dad who joked with me at ringside in Manchester this month. If someone kept my son in ’shackles’ and mistreated him, I wouldn’t give them the time of day.

I still regard Calzaghe as the best fighter to have come out of the UK since the war.

Although he is something special between the ropes it seems money is now his master.

He said as much recently when “ambushed” live on ITV by Carl Froch who demanded a fight.

Calzaghe’s response? “It’s all about the money man.”

Joe says Sports Network Ltd hasn’t paid him for the Hopkins fight.

That isn’t true. He has received 1million and had paid at his request over $2 million to third parties.

Sports Network Limited have withheld monies but believes it is entitled to much more for Joe’s breach of contract.

I won’t comment on Joe again until the action between him and Sports Network is decided. It’s so sad it has come to this.

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Just for anyone who hasn't seen it.

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Ok read this before voting please

Keep in mind you or I want to see Cotto fight Marg for a second time. So if you were Cotto or his management which fighter would you rather see him fight or which fighter do you think gives him the best chance of tuning up and getting ready for a margarito rematch in June 09? Explain why you feel that way or maybe you think either fighter can beat him and he should pick a different opponent. Let me know what your thoughts are....Lefty

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If roy is lucky and happens to beat joe, would you consider it his best win.

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prime for prime who wins this discuss.

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If Paulie winz against Hatton why not? This would be a really good fight style wise I'd love to see it




Note: I'm not a fan of either but style wise I'd really want to see it. Don't know about you guyz but yeah

I gave it some thought. It'd be one of my dream fights

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does any1 know who mundine is fighting next or is he still with no match

and also i heard maybe a wright vs mundine fight
who do uz recon will win??

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This is a thread that hasn't been made. I'd like to hear it from both sides?

Does Paul use his reach and height advantage to outbox again?
Does Margarito start fast..cut off the ring better and U.D's him?
Does Paul sit on his punches like he didn't against Quintana and Kole? and stops him T.K.O/K.O?

How will it play out...because I haven't heard many talk about this.

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Interesting…note that there is no commentary.

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interesting eh? who wins this?

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The Abraham vs. Marquez PPV is available for $ 24.95 in most parts of North America.

There's some good fights on the undercard: Licina vs. Griffin will be shown for certai